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what are the reviews so far, good, decent, bad?
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Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

In what way?
The new characters are phenomenal. Greyfax is really good, Cawl is better, and Celestine improves any army she joins.
The formation rules? Mediocre. Coteaz can buff one detachment up to good, but not great, even under ideal circumstances.
The fluff? Decent. Not exceptional, but pretty good.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

You high?
That detachment is pure cheese once you put coteaz in.
Everything with shoes has objsec, and you can cherry pick from almost any IoM codex to build just what you want. With respawning troops.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

BoomWolf wrote:
You high?
That detachment is pure cheese once you put coteaz in.
Everything with shoes has objsec, and you can cherry pick from almost any IoM codex to build just what you want. With respawning troops.

The strongest choices in it are going to be Space Marines though, who already have access to a ton of armywide ObjecSec and, instead of respawning troops, just get craptons of free tanks for their troubles.
The armywide Hatred kind of sucks, too, because the detachment conveniently denies access to the armies that would benefit most from the ability. (Namely, Space Wolves and Blood Angels. Probably Grey Knights, too.)
The respawning troops will get you an average of two units back, assuming you have marginally better than normal dice. (If you take 4 squads, you get 1.3 squads back, which gets you .4 squads back, which gets you .1, etc... For a total of around 1.8 squads in total. Since those are going to be footslogging Tactical marines, Sisters, or Guardsmen, that's really not a great thing to have regenerating. Imperial armies don't really have good troops. Compared to getting 6+ free Razorbacks, I'm taking the Razorbacks any day.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

cheezy ic.

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Working on our review for next week. You can watch 40K games both narrative and competitive from last Friday and today on Warhammer Live Twitch if you like. They use the characters and I think some formation. I've played with Cawl and he's quite awesome unless faced with instant death from Magnus the Red I used him with cult mech only but the benefits to a wider armies of imperium are pretty sweet.
So only from my experience (gotta pow-wow with the co-host) the story is ok--kinda like End Times writing style with dialogue or internal monologue sidebars--and usual high quality (IMO) product from GW (art and such). The triumvirate kit is absolutely fair price (again, IMO, like everything here) and if you can get a FLGS or online retailer with 20% even better, or split the box with someone. This certainly gives an Imperial army playing this codex a power boost. Not sure how soon the next book will be out and at what frequency. But the narrative is without doubt moving towards that final climax which I assume will usher in 8th ed.

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I really enjoyed the fluff. I felt like they managed to make Creed not be *quite* the cliche he had become. Also loved how Trazyn was handled.
The new characters are all pretty great. Cawl will probably take some finesse to really use to his full potential and Greyfax can single-handedly balance the scales against something like GSC.
The formations appear lame at first, but when you dig a little deeper, they get pretty crazy.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

It depends. On the one hand the new IC's are nice, and the formation is not too bad.
On the other hand the Guard got royally shafted. In a book about the fall of the homeworld of the iconic Imperial Guard regiments not one single special rules, formation, unit or artifact is available to the humber Imperial Guard as Space Marines save the day yet again.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

I love the new IC's, they got cool models and cool rules.
On the other hand, I'am quite diapionted in the Admech formation/detachment, it gives competitive players not exactly an alternative option to compete with the whole War Convocation, which is in my opinion way to good.
And aside from that, I rather use the Skitarii Maniple with an Cult Mechanicus formation like the Eliminatun maniple to bypass that stupid min. 2 HQ required tax.
And if I want to use Cawl, I put him in the Holy Requisitioner formation or the Starterset formation.
TL: DR
New models and their rules are great.
New Artifacts are quite nice.
New formations and detachments are mediocre/good
Fluffwise it is quite good and the story is an enjoyable read.
All in all, it is good with a pint of decent mixed somewhere in between.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

Arlen wrote:
I love the new IC's, they got cool models and cool rules.
On the other hand, I'am quite diapionted in the Admech formation/detachment, it gives competitive players not exactly an alternative option to compete with the whole War Convocation, which is in my opinion way to good.
And aside from that, I rather use the Skitarii Maniple with an Cult Mechanicus formation like the Eliminatun maniple to bypass that stupid min. 2 HQ required tax.
And if I want to use Cawl, I put him in the Holy Requisitioner formation or the Starterset formation.
TL: DR
New models and their rules are great.
New Artifacts are quite nice.
New formations and detachments are mediocre/good
Fluffwise it is quite good and the story is an enjoyable read.
All in all, it is good with a pint of decent mixed somewhere in between.

Yes! The artifacts are great. Only plan on using the admechn ones but still nice. Not ZOMGBESTEVA but good enough.

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Formation rules terrible because either broken or only Apocalypse-level. Characters bad because over the top rules remind me of Storm of Magic/Fantasy End Times. Fluff hilariously bad.
Models awesome though.
Maybe I'm just spoiled, the art, presentation and writing of the Horus Heresy FW books is leagues beyond the main GW studio's wildest dreams.

Subject: What is the consensus on Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia

Trazyn the Infinite is a level 9000 Pokémon champion.
His Pokeballs are the best.

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The troop formation is actually pretty good for Militarum Tempestus. A typical MT army is mostly troop, and they can DS when they respawn, which is a pretty useful (footslogging from the table edge is indeed pretty weak).